During a candid appearance on the @talkandblockpodcast and via @bravo_boo on Instagram, NeNe Leakes didn’t hold back, accusing Lisa Vanderpump of manipulating her and stealing her idea for a bar location.

NeNe reflected, “There’s something [Lisa] did to me that I’ve never addressed… she did some real foul s**t to me.” Her interviewer asked if the rumors of Vanderpump’s manipulative behavior were true — to which NeNe replied, “She does.”

Rewinding to 2014(hey that was 11 years ago in case you didn’t feel old yet today) NeNe explains that while she and then-husband Gregg were living in Doheny Estates and she was busy working on Glee and The New Normal, she spotted an ideal, yet run-down, venue near The Abbey in West Hollywood. Sensing its potential but unsure about the area, she reached out to Lisa for advice.

Lisa’s response? “Oh darling, darling, it’s a piece of crap and they’re charging so much for it, darling.” NeNe countered that she loved the spot and trusted Lisa’s judgment. But soon after, Lisa swooped in—and secured the location for her bar, Pump—leaving NeNe stunned: “That’s so fucked up… Is this b**ch serious?”

Adding insult to injury, NeNe says Lisa never apologized. Now when they cross paths, Lisa gives her a knowing look—while calling her “Vander-lump.”